Comments Create a Community of Voices

Angry commenters get a lot of air time, and they can drain you. But what if you are looking for just smart and helpful people?

Imagine if you could conduct a global search for anyone commenting on anything in any comment field on any blog or web site with a content engine built into it. Imagine if you are not looking to have an argument about baseball or truffles, but you are actually looking to start a business, or figure out a line of code?

Can you do that by trawling through the billions of comments on the web? Maybe you will soon.

Type in your search query in a search box, and then suddenly you see all of the people who have commented on, say, “education.” You not only see who said what, or where they said it, but you also see the commenting context around it.

It’s coming. William Mougayar has created the beta test for this in engag.io. And it’s remarkably prescient design, as it focuses on what I believe will be the central task of web engagement in the next few years — finding experts you know you want to know, but whom you don’t know you know.

I interviewed him today to figure out what is going on with engag.io. In short, they are soon to move from beta to something more global, though specifics are scant. What I can say is that he’s the inspiration for my thoughts here. I include some writing about what we talked about, and at the end I tack on a Q&A I sent him.

Some People Think Commenting is for the Weak, Some Believe Glory Goes to the Meek

For some reason, it’s easier to classify commenters on the web operate under a binary system. You are engaged or you are a lurker. Call it our myopic understanding of how media operates in a hierarchy.

Some people think that even commenting itself is a sign that you are a weak, uninformed troll, who just exists to target inaccuracies in reporting.

I think it depends on the community. Every medium creates its people’s voice, and every audience creates the dynamics of the medium.

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Paris Lemon blogger, Michael Arrington right hand man, and vociferous Apple diehard M.G. Siegler believes that commenting on blogs is a little like the pit above Jabba the Hut’s perch in Return of the Jedi.

The Siegler thesis seems to be: Commenting is where otherwise brilliant people who are trying to save the world go to die.  Siegler recently turned off comments on his Tumblr blog and then told people that comments as a democracy is “bullshit.” He advised people who want to comment on his blog to shuffle off and start their own blog, capping his blog post with the prophetic sounding, almost campaign slogan “Earn your own voice.”

Then there is the idea that commenters, who may not own real estate of their own, function to create an idiosyncratic, but wise informed community that helps solveproblesm, generate ideas, and create products and services.

For these people, commenting is their voice. This is Mougayar’s baileywick. Former HP employee, Mougayar is the creator of commenting inbox engag.io.

He thinks that commenting is a form of blogging and it actually solves a problem that I first wrote about six months ago, that we often don’t know whom we need to find in order to solve a problem or create a collaborative solution. This has been similar to his experience at VC investor Fred Wilson’s extremely commenting-rich blog, AVC.

“Across the social media spectrum, I think that commenting is a stronger signal than liking and sharing. You are more engaged,” says Mougayar.

My idea [for creating engag.io] came out of my experience with Fred Wilson’s blog. I found I was developing relationships with people I would end up doing business with or knowing well,” he says. “Out of conversations you can have relationships, but there was no way to capture that.”

Enter engag.io. It’s an inbox that consolidates all your commenting on Facebook, Twitter, and in commenting fields sponsored by Disqus, to name a few.

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Engag.io puts all your comments and their context into one field. Like an email inbox.

This solves a problem and gets a job done for me in commenting.

When I comment, I am trying to learn. I am also trying to get my name out to as many people as possible, but only if they are the right people. Mougayar plans on incorporating a Klout score or somethign like it in the commenting search field.

When you search for influencers, you will not only be able to find the people who are saying things you are interested in covering, learning about, or adding to, you will also see their reliability score. This is not Mougayar’s wording for it, but I took it to mean what he was saying.

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This is the same kind of progress that Kred.com is trying to get for the company PeopleBrowsr. People want to be able to walk into a world, put on special glasses and see who is in the room and who is expert about the things that they want to talk about.

Imagine if you can port this kind of engag.io methodology and Klout or Kred influence scoring anywhere you want to go. it would mean that your interactions with people in business (shoot, or even in dating) may be more productive.

While commenting for some might be the domain of people who lack a life — I hardly think this is true, for some it is the platform for progress. You can launch a business, find a business partner, even get sales done simply by being available, and searching willingly for the commenting you seek to engage with.

Here is the Q&A I sent William.

Douglas: Do commenting systems work? What jobs are commenting systems meant to get done for people?

William: I think the term “commenting” is limiting. We should think of conversations and discussions. Commenting for the purpose of commenting is one aspect, but if your purpose is to strike a conversation with another interesting person, then it takes a new dimension. That’s what we are supporting with Engag.io.

Douglas: MG Siegler says if you are going to be a commenter, don’t waste your time. Get your own blog.

William: Disagree. If you look at the www.avc.com community as a prime example, comments + conversations are turning it into a community. There are several active users that are “Comment bloggers”. They don’t have a blog, but they post long meaningful comments, and that’s perfectly fine.

Douglas: Let’s talk about engag.io. What problem does it solve? What job does it get done for you and for others?

William: We are giving the user visibility about the potential relationships behind the comments. First a) it’s a productivity Inbox, saving you time to keep track of who replied to your comments, where, when, etc…Users are telling us they are seeing stuff they were missing otherwise, b) we “collect” the Contacts (Contacts Folder) behind these discussions you’re having and track the Interactions with you. So we’re building an “Interaction Graph” for the user. We also facilitate a way to directly contact each other. In addition, you can c) find out the sites that your top contacts are commenting on, d) see the links that are being passed during conversations. We are also aggregating your public social identities into a single Profile page , and if you hover on one of your contact’s names and you click on the name, you’ll go to their Profile page. An interesting feature there is the 1:1 Interaction history with you when you preview someone’s profile eg. mine: http://www.engag.io/users/3 and click on the Interaction History with you in the middle of the page. That’s quite revealing.

Finally, there is Search for comments or Users. Now, search is only for your own comments/discussions, but later we’ll open it up to a more global search.

 

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  • http://engag.io/ William Mougayar

    Thanks Doug. You captured the vision very well. Your article in Fast Company back in May “Conversation is the New Search” was right on the money: 
    http://www.fastcompany.com/1754800/conversation-is-the-new-search

    • douglas

      Thank you for the compliment. I look forward to seeing this universe expand and interacting with you within it.

  • Anonymous

    Doug – What if we use the analogy of a band in examining this concept of the value/purpose of ‘commenters’ vs. ‘no commenters’.

    Some bands (let’s say U2) are exceptional because of their unique sound led by a unique lead vocalist. I imagine most of the worlds populace would agree that changing the mix of how U2 operates would be bad. What if ‘The Edge’ became the lead singer for a while and Bono took over lead guitar. I know The Edge can sing alright but does Bono even know how to play guitar?

    I’ll call Siegler ‘Bono’ in this example. Perhaps he’s best and most valuable to all of us if he shares his thoughts as the lone highlight of the subject. He’s the rockstar. He’s the lead singer. You go there to see him (U2 as a team is amazing but most people know one name when asked about U2 – Bono).

    Williams feedback (which is the one I am more aligned with) could be represented as ‘The Back Street Boys’ (insert chuckle here). I don’t mean that Mr. Mougayar is the highly exalted heart throb of adolescent girls. I don’t yet know the man! I mean simply that this group of guys was was more than one man or one shining star. Each of the vocalists had a following all to themselves and in their day, everyone (of a certain age) knew every singers name. They were not seen as an individual but as a group. They succeeded and made millions together. There would likely be no ‘Justin Timberlake’ as we know today had there been no ‘Back Street Boys’ to dominate the Billboards.
    My point is that we need both kinds. Some people get confused and lose the wind in their sails if they aren’t the shining star. Some people will never shine without the help, thoughts and talents of others to aid them.

    Personally, I’m good at a couple of things. To be the best ‘me’ that is somewhere within, I need others to be good at their stuff and willing to share so they can help me where I’m weak.

    Cody

    • douglas

      I agree we need both kinds, and maybe many different kinds.

      In another conversation, I made the point that it’s not the attribute of the person’s identity that creates quality in an online discussion. For me, regardless of whether you are a persona, your real self, or anonymous, an online community is substantiated by:

      1. real information, facts, and helpful information
      2. a sense of progress for all involved
      3. humor and light-heartedness
      4. tensions that create new ideas

    • http://www.douglascrets.com Douglas Crets

      To your last point, I think it was easy to see expert voices in this way, when media was scarce. We’ve quickly moved into a hydra media model, which makes finding the “right one for me” more compelling than the ones or one “everyone loves.” I believe that we’re finding that quality comes first, and that it’s easy to ride that long tail of the commenting engine and find others like me, or also others that challenge me. But how do you find them? What Mougayar points out with his technology is that there is not yet a way to do this. I think engag.io and sumazi are going to be among the first to solve this well. 

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